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Double Horns

Brand
Model
Notes
Condition
Price

 

 

Conn

 

 

8D

Review by Matt & Katie:

After extensive play testing, we would venture to say that this horn is the best offering from Conn in a long time.  Right away, we were extremely impressed by how evenly it played in all registers. This horn has a big, open sound that is reminiscent of the later Elkhart models, particularly the N series from the late 1960's. It possesses that trademark vibrancy and warmth that every other horn maker has tried to emulate for decades. We found that we could get all over this horn with ease; the high register was clear and free-blowing, while the low range felt solid and anchored. The pitch is extremely reliable, and we discovered that it actually has really killer soft dynamics. On the loud end of the spectrum, there is still integrity and core to the sound, but it's not difficult to  add some nice sizzle when necessary.

This horn would be perfect for the serious student as well as the burgeoning professional. Sometimes finding a vintage 8D that's still in good shape is quite a task, but with this  horn, you can have the quality and feel of an old 8D without sacrificing the physical condition of the instrument. With brand new, super tight valves and a nickel body  uncompromised by dents and wear, you won't have to worry about expensive maintenance costs like valve jobs or replacement bells.

Review by Steve:

I got a chance to hear a fine horn player from the Bay Area, John Orzel, play test some horns the other day.  He brought a brass Hoyer 7801 and an aged nickel Conn 8D.  Compared to the new 8D, his vintage model has a bit more sass to it, but it's not as pretty a sound.  While lively, some of the older models may be just a bit too hot for some players.  The new Conn sounded like it projected a bit more, had a smoother and more even attack, and a full sound.  It was modern, maybe toned down a bit, but not without life.  John felt the new model was stable, even, and easy to play, and said he liked it as much as his vintage model.  Note to self:  different or new is not bad.  The differences reminded me of the Conn 88H trombones that I'm familiar with.  Vintage models of those bark a bit and have a light, hot sound.  Newer models are a bit more stable, fuller, not quite as lively, but they make it easy to sound good.  I'd say the same for this 8D.  In Los Angeles, where many fine players play the classic 8D.  We've never carried this model until now, because many of them shrugged when asked about a new 8D.  We think most folks won't shrug, but will actually crave one of these after trying it.

Specs:

Fixed bell, nickel silver, XL throat, string linkages with mechanical trigger. Includes hard case and mouthpiece.  Screw bell add $340

       

New $4299
Yamaha 667 Professional Geyer style double horn in all brass with nickel trim.  Medium throat bell, traditional string linkage.  Includes deluxe hard case and mouthpiece.  Made in Japan.  Also available with screw bell, $4559 New $4297
Alexander 103 We've represented Alexander tubas for years, but have not yet offered their double horns.  Stay tuned.  We look forward to receiving several in Fall 2013, starting at $8500. New $8800
Atkinson NN508 Custom built Erfurt model from Atkinson Horns in Burbank, California. This one is based on the Kruspe Horner model. Similar to Conn 8D but much more artfully done. Nickel silver body, tail and flare. Extra large throat bell flare. This is a beautiful hand made horn.  All parts are made in the Burbank shop.  Includes case.  Available in screw bell only. Valve cap design may vary.

This model is discontinued.  We have one available in all nickel, unlacquered.

New $4795
Atkinson AG2000 Custom Geyer style double horn in all brass with medium screw bell.  Available unlacquered or with clear lacquer finish.  As played by Andrew Bain, LA Philharmonic.  Includes compact case. New $8995
BY SPECIAL ORDER

Engelbert Schmid

ES1 Nickel Custom built F/Bb double horn, from Mindelzell, Germany.  It has several options including: all nickel silver construction, hand hammered removable bell flare large throat, water keys, and clear lacquer.  Interesting note: The B-flat sides of all Engelbert Schmid horns can be lowered to A or raised to B. On the B-natural horn you can play E-horn passages as if they were in E-flat (e.g. Weber Concertino, Danzi Concerto, Fidelio, Thieving Magpie Overture, Cosi fan tutte). Built in Schmid's new Mindelzell workshop. Visiting hornists tell us that this is one of the best playing Schmid's instruments they have ever played.  Available by special order in any configuration of brass materials, bell flares or options. Price may vary. Sold without case.
 


 

Options:

$72   additional water key
$60   adjustable finger hook
$105 hand flipper
$450 hand hammered bell
$400 nickel silver bell garland
$450 clear lacquer finish

Example: A nickel horn built like the above with all the options we like to order would be:

2 water keys, adjustable finger hook, flipper, hand hammered bell with garland and clear lacquer finish and would cost $11760+144+60+105+450+400+450 = $13369

 

      

New $11760
base price

Engelbert Schmid

ES1 Brass Custom made German full double horn. This model is made of yellow brass, and we usually order with a hand hammered bell with a nickel silver garland, 2 water keys, adjustable finger hook and hand flipper, and a clear lacquer finish.   Standard model features screw bell, which is helpful for damage-free travel, as this is a lightweight horn.

 

Options:

$72   additional water key
$60   adjustable finger hook
$105 hand flipper
$450 hand hammered bell
$400 nickel silver bell garland
$450 clear lacquer finish

Example: A horn built with all the options we like to order would be:

2 water keys, adjustable finger hook, flipper, hand hammered bell with garland and clear lacquer finish and would cost $10225+144+60+105+450+400+450 = $11834

 

New $10225 base price

Hans Hoyer

G-10A Geyer This is the newest model in the Hans Hoyer line of professional horns, made in Germany by B&S. This is a full double horn in Bb/F, and can be set to stand in either key.  The Geyer model has a smaller throat bell than the Kruspe style instruments in the Heritage and Bloom lineups.  But the body is a larger diameter, with broader curves, offering less resistance.  This horn may be popular with players who perform frequently with chamber groups, or who play with symphonies in a smaller concert hall.  Though the Geyer style instrument is not common in our locale of Southern California, it is considered a very popular instrument in the symphonic scene elsewhere.  All brass construction with nickel trim, engraved valve caps, 3B ball bearing (or string) linkages that are totally silent, gold brass leadpipe to resist corrosion, adjustable finger hook and thumb lever.  Only available with screw bell flare.  Includes mouthpiece and Hans Hoyer case.  One available at this price.

       

New $4700
Hans Hoyer Heritage Model This is our most popular selling French horn, and is hand made by B&S in Germany.  It is modeled after the original German-made Kruspe French horns, and features a slightly smaller diameter body than the Geyer style, above, but has an extra large throat bell.  If you're familiar with the venerable Conn 8D, which is another classic Kruspe style instrument, then you'll feel at home on a Hoyer.  These horns are a full double Bb/F, and stand in F.  The Hoyer line has numerous options, including brass body or all nickel silver body, fixed of screw bell, and traditional string linkages, or new silent 3B ball bearing linkages.  We have only one model available for the time being, listed at right.  This is the last one at this price.  Grab it while you can. Model Specs  

 

New

 

 


6802NSA

screw bell, nickel, string linkage

 


$4795


Hoyer Heritage Model Gallery

Hoyer 6801A
 

Hoyer 6801A

Hoyer 6801A

Hoyer 6801A

Hoyer 6802


Hoyer 6802
 

Hoyer 6802

Hoyer 6802NSA

Hoyer 6802NSA

Hoyer 6802NSA

Hoyer 6802NSA

Hoyer 6802NSA

Hoyer 6802NSA

          

Hans Hoyer Bloom Model

SPECIAL PRICING

We have special pricing on a few Hoyer Bloom model horns, see pricing at right.  These instruments are a mix of factory fresh and perfect condition display models, all available now.  This is a one-time special.  New models will be $1000-1500 more, and they are not available at the moment.  Grab them while they last.  If you're looking for a high-end double horn, you can't do better for the price than the Hoyer Bloom model.

This is the premier Kruspe style double horn from Hans Hoyer, made in Germany by B&S.  Visibly similar to the Heritage model, above, this instruments have the feel of a classic vintage horn right out of the case.  They are hand assembled by the top craftsmen in small batches, they feature an annealed bell to provide a warmer sound and a livelier feel, and the valve compression is lessened to further the style of a well broken-in instrument.  Also, these are only available unlacquered.  While the patina of a raw instrument will lessen its shine over time, most players find that the response and sound is improved over that of a lacquered instrument.  These horns are a full double Bb/F, and stand in F.  They have numerous options, including brass body with gold brass leadpipe, or all nickel silver body, fixed of screw bell, and traditional string, or new silent 3B ball bearing linkages.  We keep a election in stock, and other models may have a very long lead time for delivery from the importer.

Model Specs

 


New

 
7801
7801A
7801NSA
7802
7802NS
7802NSA
fixed bell, brass
screw bell, brass
screw bell, nickel
fixed bell, brass, string
fixed bell, nickel, string
screw bell, nickel, string

 

$5195
$5395
$5595
$5195
$5395
$5595

 


Hoyer Bloom Model Gallery
 
Hoyer 7801

Hoyer 7802

Hoyer 7802

Hoyer 7802

Hoyer 7802NS Hoyer 7802NS

Hoyer 7802NS


Hoyer 7802NSA  Hoyer 7802NSA  Hoyer 7802NSA  

 

Josef Lidl

Josef Lidl Musical Instruments is located in Brno, Czech Republic, and has been in business since 1892.  We've sold many of their bass trumpets, a few rotary trumpets and tubas, and now we offer their double French horns.  We stock 3 models:

LHR-347  This is the basic professional double horn, 11.7mm (.460") bore, 4 inline rotors, brass bell and body with nickel slide, and a screw bell.  Lacquer finish, case is included. $2595

LHR-867  This is the new Philharmonic model, with similar specs to the 347: , 11.7mm (.460") bore, 4 inline rotors, brass bell and body with nickel slide, and a screw bell.  Lacquer finish, case is included. $2795

LHR-367  This is the Anniversary model, built in all gold brass with nickel trim.  Rather than a full double, this is a compensating model, so it's very light, and excels at high horn and solo work.  The low range plays as open as you need, and the response is even all over.  Can be adjusted to stand in either Bb or F.  Includes screw bell and hard case $2595

Josef Lidl was the manufacturer of Besson French horns for many years, so if you've seen one of those, you may be familiar with at least the model 347.

What we're hoping is that these horns offer a lower priced professional or top student quality to a player who otherwise might buy a very ordinary Jupiter or Conn 6D student model.  We think you can do better for your money with a European horn such as this. 

The Lidl horns have their own page and photos here.